In my recent column, ”Cardinals “Creativity”: Why Not Wood?”, I put forward a case as to why signing the Chicago Cubs soon-to-be free-agent closer Kerry Wood could be good fit for the 2009 St. Louis Cardinals.
Based on the resulting emails and message board posts, there are those intrigued by the idea while others would consider it blasphemous for the Cardinals to covet a player that wore the Cubbie blue.
News flash: It is hardly a new idea.
The past
Sure, most baseball fans remember the blockbuster six-player trade between the clubs on June 15, 1964 which sent Cardinals starting pitcher Ernie Broglio and two others to Chicago in return for future Hall-of-Famer Lou Brock plus two players.
Yet, there have been many, many more players moving between the two clubs. Over 300 of them, in fact, ranging from Ted Abernathy to Todd Zeile with three Schultzes included (Barney, Buddy and Joe).
The first occurred in 1883, prior to the second season of the St. Louis franchise of the American Association. The Browns, as they were known then, paid the Chicago White Stockings of the National League, the ancestor of the Cubs, the princely sum of $50 for the services of outfielder Hugh Nicol (right). Nicol also apparently holds the distinction of being the only Scottish-born man to play in the major leagues.
The pictured tobacco card is from 1886, the year manager Charlie Comiskey’s Browns won their first-ever World Series. The St. Louisans defeated who else but the Chicago White Stockings. (Further linking the two cities, Comiskey would later own the American League Chicago White Sox for their first 31 years of existence.)
Nicol’s 1883 Browns teammate and a starting outfielder like him, Tom Dolan, also previously had a one-game cup of coffee with the 1879 White Stockings. Since 1883, rarely did a season follow in which there was not at least one former player from one club on the other’s roster.
The present
When centerfielder Jim Edmonds first suited up for the Chicagoans on May 15, 2008, he became the bookend of Nicol as the 304th major leaguer in the long history of the Cubs and Cardinals to play for both franchises.
The long-time Cards star Edmonds leaving the San Diego Padres and joining the Cubs was especially alarming and disturbing to many. The fact that St. Louis was paying $2 million of his 2008 salary only added salt to the open wound.
The discomfort increased throughout the summer as the 38-year-old found new life while helping power the Cubs to 97 regular season wins and their second consecutive NL Central Division title. Yet, even Edmonds could not alter the three-and-out NLDS result that ensued for the second year in a row.
Edmonds actually balanced out the current ex-Cubs, ex-Cardinals factor this season. The outfielder joined starting pitcher Jason Marquis as the two Chicagoans that previously called St. Louis home. In the other dugout, starting pitcher Todd Wellemeyer and shortstop Cesar Izturis first wore the Cubs uniform.
Though Edmonds and Izturis will become free agents at the conclusion of the World Series, both could be back next year. Either way, there should be at least one “ex” on each roster in 2009. Marquis will enter the final year of his initial three-year Chicago contract while Wellemeyer is arbitration-eligible, but under Cardinals organizational control.
At $9.875 million next season, Marquis may just be the most expensive number five starter in all of baseball. Wellemeyer should receive a substantial raise for 2009, but will still knock down only about a quarter of what the former Cardinal will be making.
The leaders
Statman/historian Tom Orf went from today back through 1960 and ranked the players over the last half-century that competed for both clubs in the following eleven areas.
(Cardinals stats listed first, with the players ranked in that manner. Cubs numbers follow to the right.)
| Games: position players |
|
|
|
|
| (min. 100 each
team) |
StL yrs |
G |
ChC yrs |
G |
| Lou Brock |
1964-79 |
2289 |
1961-64 |
327 |
| Mike Tyson |
1972-79 |
844 |
1980-81 |
173 |
| John Mabry |
1994-2005 |
748 |
2006 |
107 |
| Jerry Mumphrey |
1974-79 |
522 |
1986-88 |
292 |
| Gary Gaetti |
1996-98 |
380 |
1998-99 |
150 |
| Hector Cruz |
1973-77 |
303 |
1978-82 |
100 |
| Delino DeShields |
1997-98 |
267 |
2001-02 |
135 |
| Jose Cardenal |
1970-71 |
237 |
1972-77 |
821 |
| Don Kessinger |
1976-77 |
204 |
1964-75 |
1648 |
| Shawon Dunston |
1999-00 |
160 |
1985-97 |
1254 |
| Jimmie Schaffer |
1961-62 |
138 |
1963-64 |
111 |
| Mark Grudzielanek |
2005 |
137 |
2003-04 |
202 |
| Steve Lake |
1986-88 |
136 |
1983-93 |
175 |
| George Altman |
1963 |
135 |
1959-67 |
732 |
| Jerry Morales |
1978 |
130 |
1974-83 |
792 |
| Leon Durham |
1980-89 |
125 |
1981-88 |
921 |
| Steve Swisher |
1978-80 |
101 |
1974-77 |
366 |
|
|
|
|
|
| Games: pitchers |
|
|
|
|
| (min. 100 each
team) |
StL yrs |
G |
ChC yrs |
G |
| Lindy McDaniel |
1955-62 |
336 |
1963-65 |
191 |
| Larry Jackson |
1955-62 |
330 |
1963-66 |
119 |
| Bruce Sutter |
1981-84 |
249 |
1976-80 |
300 |
| Lee Smith |
1990-93 |
245 |
1980-87 |
458 |
| Frank DiPino |
1989-92 |
138 |
1986-88 |
162 |
| Barney Schultz |
1955-65 |
107 |
1961-63 |
107 |
| Pitching victories |
|
|
| (min. 10 each
team) |
StL |
ChC |
| Larry Jackson |
101 |
52 |
| Lindy McDaniel |
66 |
19 |
| Lynn McGlothen |
44 |
31 |
| Jason Marquis |
42 |
23 |
| Bruce Sutter |
26 |
32 |
| Lee Smith |
15 |
40 |
|
|
|
| Saves |
|
|
| (min. 10 each
team) |
StL |
ChC |
| Lee Smith |
160 |
180 |
| Bruce Sutter |
127 |
133 |
| Lindy McDaniel |
64 |
39 |
| Barney Schultz |
21 |
14 |
|
|
|
| Games started |
|
|
| (min. 40 each
team) |
StL |
ChC |
| Larry Jackson |
209 |
116 |
| Lynn McGlothen |
97 |
63 |
| Jason Marquis |
97 |
61 |
|
|
|
| Hits |
|
|
| (min. 150 each
team) |
StL |
ChC |
| Lou Brock |
2713 |
310 |
| Jerry Mumphrey |
434 |
206 |
| Jose Cardenal |
235 |
864 |
| Mark Grudzielanek |
155 |
230 |
| Don Kessinger |
152 |
1619 |
|
|
|
| Doubles |
|
|
| (min. 15 each
team) |
StL |
ChC |
| Lou Brock |
434 |
52 |
| Todd Zeile |
149 |
16 |
| Mike Tyson |
97 |
21 |
| Ted Sizemore |
93 |
17 |
| Gary Gaetti |
74 |
20 |
| Jerry Mumphrey |
60 |
32 |
| Delino DeShields |
47 |
15 |
| Jose Cardenal |
44 |
159 |
| Mark Grudzielanek |
30 |
50 |
| Don Kessinger |
26 |
201 |
| Jerry Morales |
19 |
110 |
| George Altman |
18 |
100 |
| Shawon Dunston |
16 |
226 |
| Leon Durham |
16 |
173 |
|
|
|
| Triples |
|
|
| (min. 10 each
team) |
StL |
ChC |
| Lou Brock |
121 |
20 |
| Jose Cardenal |
10 |
16 |
|
|
|
| Home runs |
|
|
| (min. 10 each
team) |
StL |
ChC |
| Lou Brock |
129 |
20 |
| Gary Gaetti |
51 |
17 |
| Jose Cardenal |
17 |
61 |
| Shawon Dunston |
17 |
107 |
|
|
|
| Runs batted
in |
|
|
| (min. 50 each
team) |
StL |
ChC |
| Lou Brock |
814 |
86 |
| Gary Gaetti |
192 |
73 |
| Jerry Mumphrey |
134 |
85 |
| Jose Cardenal |
122 |
343 |
| Shawon Dunston |
68 |
489 |
| Mark Grudzielanek |
59 |
61 |
|
|
|
| Stolen bases |
|
|
| (min. 10 each
team) |
StL |
ChC |
| Lou Brock |
888 |
50 |
| Delino DeShields |
81 |
22 |
| Jose Cardenal |
38 |
129 |
In an additional drill-down, here are five St. Louis pitchers that struggled as a Cub before excelling as a Cardinal. (Kent Bottenfield pictured.)
| Kent
Bottenfield |
W-L |
ERA |
|
| Cubs 1996-97 |
5-8 |
3.34 |
GS-0 |
| Cards
1998-99 |
22-13 |
4.17 |
GS-48 |
|
|
|
|
| Frank DiPino |
W-L |
ERA |
|
| Cubs 1986-88 |
7-10 |
4.32 |
G-162 |
| Cards
1989-92 |
14-2 |
3.34 |
G-138 |
|
|
|
|
| Buddy Schultz |
W-L |
ERA |
|
| Cubs 1975-76 |
3-1 |
6.14 |
SV-2 |
| Cards
1977-79 |
12-8 |
3.33 |
SV-10 |
|
|
|
|
| Bob Tewksbury |
W-L |
ERA |
|
| Cubs 1987-88 |
0-4 |
6.75 |
GS-4 |
| Cards
1989-94 |
67-46 |
3.48 |
GS-142 |
|
|
|
|
| Todd
Wellemeyer |
W-L |
ERA |
|
| Cubs 2003-05 |
5-3 |
6.19 |
GS-0 |
| Cards
2007-08 |
16-11 |
3.56 |
GS-43 |
Scout.com subscribers can access the complete list of those that have played for the Cardinals and Cubs. For each of the 166 position players and 138 pitchers, their years of play with each club are included: ”Cardinals-Cubs History: The Joint Players”.
Also, a special and ongoing thanks to Lee Sinins’ “Complete Baseball Encyclopedia”, a tool I use almost every day to pull just about any stat a guy could ever want.
Brian Walton can be reached via email at brwalton@earthlink.net.
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